Some Thoughts on Conservatism

by Travis Prinzi on December 31, 2007

Recently I ran across the news item that Bill Kristol had called Ron Paul a “crackpot” and “Anti-American.”  This seemed pretty harsh coming from a guy who has always seemed pretty balanced to me, and I’ve been listening to him on Fox News and occasionally reading his columns at National Review for about 4 years.

Then I came across this.  If you don’t have time to watch it, it basically goes something like this: Ron Paul documents the beliefs of “neoconservatives,” and it just so happens that Bill Kristol and his father Irving Kristol are named.  Why?  Because Irving is the founder of neoconservatism.  No wonder Billy’s mad; Ron picked on his daddy.

This whole debacle teaches me how much I still need to know about historical conservatism, since I was under the impression that “neocon” was simply a term made up by opponents to Bush-type conservatives.  Apparently, it’s a label they chose for themselves.  This led me to several thoughts on conservatism while I was brushing my teeth tonight, so I thought I’d share them with you.

Here’s a key point.  Irving Kristol’s initial book outlining neoconservatism was published in 1983.  What this means is that 9/11 didn’t actually change the mentality of the neoconservatives; rather, it gave them a justification for their agenda, which already existed prior to 9/11.  Did anyone really think Bush-43 meant it when he ran on a “humble foreign policy” with “no nation-building” and “no policing the world?”  We were fooled, all of us.

Now, I’m not particularly upset that neoconservatives are using the term “conservative;” they have every right to do so, of course.  What’s bothersome is that they have co-opted the term, now calling paleo-conservatives (which is the camp I’m leaning more toward every day) not conservative at all, or worse: “crackpots” or “anti-American.”

Another justification I’ve heard recently for neoconservatism (particularly government size and infringements on privacy, etc.) is that, while Ron Paul and others like him are correct that the Founders envisioned a more libertarian government, they also insisted that we be a moral country, and that liberty and morality go hand in hand.  Since we’re not a moral country anymore, things are different.

I cringe when my fellow conservatives say this, especially my fellow Christian conservatives, for a few reasons:

  1. To call us a “more moral” country “back then” is to demonstrate a very deficient and twisted set of ethics, really.  Yes: the blatant sexual immorality of our culture is appalling.  Yes: work ethic has fallen terribly.  There are other legitimate complaints.  But this golden age of morality that we want to “get back to” was an age of racism, sexism, slavery, oppression, lying, treaty-breaking, etc…many of these sins still have tremendous influence and impact today.  But in the progress we’ve made on these issues, we’ve become more moral, not less, and we need to proceed forward in those areas.  We conservatives reveal just how unaware we are of the absolute sinfulness of racism and slavery when we pine for the good old days of American morality.
  2. Even if the Founders agreed with the assessment that we’re much less moral than we used to be, there’s no way they’d prescribe neoconservatism as the remedy.  They would see big government - which neocons have only added to - as one of the root problems.

Now let’s be plain: all the Republicans running for president are neoconservatives, except for Ron Paul.  So it might be quite helpful to back the conversation up a bit and begin to talk about what conservatism really is in the first place.

Again, I have a lot to learn, and these are random thoughts.  I appreciate feedback.

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scjim 12.31.07 at 1:59 am

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joe@2parse 12.31.07 at 2:06 am

I’m not sure that every Republican other than Ron Paul would be considered a neoconservative as you say. Paul lists two sets of neocon beliefs - private (such as the belief that the elite must lie to the people) and public ones (such as preemptive war). Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani seem to have embraced every precept of neoconservativesm. From both how many people in power are responding to Huckabee and based on his own comments, I would wager that he does not believe in many of the main neocon positions - although he has embraced the main public ones. I think in the end, Huckabee’s resentment of “elites” makes him an enemy of the neoconservative movement. I don’t think Thompson has made clear his positions.

Finally, McCain, who in many ways seems sympathetic to the public neoconservative positions, has staked out clear positions that clearly oppose certain neoconservative measures. Although he has accepted damaging compromises on those issues after he made his stand.

In other words, I agree with most of what you’ve said - but that line seems to go a bit too far to me, and to blur the real distinctions between the Republicans.

aletoledo 12.31.07 at 2:30 am

I would disagree with the idea of Huckabee being a neoconservative the likes of Guialini and Romney, but he’s not really conservative either. Remember that conservatism is broken up typically into fiscal and scoail. Huckabee is a social conservative, as are probably everyone on the ticket. The question then becomes who is the fiscal conservative?

If the neocon agenda is foreign warfare to justify raising military expenditures, who supports the war? A fiscal conservative can’t support war ever because of the cost. Sure maybe a delimited war they can support, but not an unending war on terror or war on drugs. Huckabee supports the spending associated with the Iraq war and therefore he is not a fiscal conservative.

The other argument for being a fiscal conservative is the size of government itself. I don’t think you can call yourself a fiscal conservative without wanting to reduce the size and spending of government itself. Huckabee appears to support the No Child Left Behind program and doesn’t appear to want to cut government at all.

So Huckabee might not be as blatant as the others, but I don’t view him as a fiscal conservative. Paul is the only fiscal conservative with ideas to truly cut government waste. So I think the easiest test to see if someone is a neocon is to look at their plan for government spending cuts.

Travis Prinzi 12.31.07 at 8:39 am

Joe, good point, and I’d agree with your assessment. My statement was far too generalized.

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FreedomJoyAdventure 12.31.07 at 11:35 am

All the so-called Republicans in the race except Ron Paul are RINOs.

Jon 01.02.08 at 9:48 am

I’ve always understood Neo-Conservatism to be a term coined to describe big-government-liberals who deviated from their liberal-peers on foreign policy to support the world-police, carry-a-big-stick mentality.

I’d say that this encompasses Guiliani, Bush and Huckabee. I doubt it can be applied to Romney and Thompson, since I don’t think they’re big-government boys. McCain? Who knows.

Paul, definitely not NeoCon.

As for the “more moral back then” statement. I still insist that we either were more moral “back” then, or we at least held to the illusion of morality. We cared that people thought we were moral. We expected morality, or at least the outward appearance of it. There was some standard that was considered the norm. Not anymore…

Travis Prinzi 01.02.08 at 10:04 am

Jon, it’s definitely a fair comment to say that there was some standard of morality that we were expected to follow “back then.” Maybe it’s better to say that, but to add the very important caveat that in some places, the standards themselves were really skewed and immoral.

I’ll be happier with Romney and Thompson if they actually start talking more about decreasing government size and explaining plans to do so. On this issue, I think we need someone even better than Reagan (who ultimately only succeeded in slowing down the size of government growth, not reducing it).

Jon 01.02.08 at 10:29 am

Ahh, I keep forgetting to make that point about “back then.”

“Back then,” there were huge moral issues - the clear standout is slavery.

But I have the gut-feeling that there was at least an attempt made to remedy (or at the very least reconcile) that immorality against a moral standard. It was twisted and convoluted, but the fact that it didn’t fit nicely within the moral standard was actually a PROBLEM for people. People wrestled with their conscience. Whereas today I think it’s pure narcissism.

Travis Prinzi 01.02.08 at 10:43 am

There’s something in that, sure. Many of the abolitionists of the 18th century were Christians appealing to a biblical morality (created in God’s image), and others were at least appealing to a “human rights given by God” mentality (in a sort of deistic way).

There’s certainly a lot of narcissism today, granted. Many for whom it’s not pure narcissism are appealing to standards of justice that seem to be drawn out of thin air - no basis for them except some strange view of the goodness and importance of humanity, detached from any authority that might establish those standards. I’m watching the resurgence of atheism under Dawkins and Hitchens, and if it gains any ground, I can’t imagine how that will be a very good thing.

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